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What do we pay a year for all of our insurance policies?

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What do we pay a year for all of our insurance policies?
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$16,512 a year for the eleven current policies: house $1,862, cabin $1,418, RAV4 $978, truck $1,104, umbrella $412, valuables $684, boats $286, Ray's life $2,340, Peg's life $1,128, Peg's long-term care $2,916, Ray's long-term care $3,384. The five expired policies (last year's house, cabin, RAV4 and valuables terms and the CR-V's) must not be counted; not all of them are labelled expired, so the dates have to be read. Health premiums (the Medicare supplements, drug plan and dental) are not saved as policies and are extra.

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propertyhouse-madison
carrierdriftless
policy_numberDM-HO-2087341-07
deductible1500
insured_value438000
annual_premium1862
expiration2027-03-01
next_payment_due2027-03-01
remarksCurrent. March 1, 2026 to March 1, 2027, paid in full. I raised the deductible from $1,000 to $1,500 this term to hold the premium down. Through Linda Schroedl.
propertycabin
carrierpinery
policy_numberPTM-SD-551208-22
deductible2500
insured_value385000
annual_premium1418
expiration2027-05-15
next_payment_due2027-05-15
remarksSeasonal dwelling policy, May 15, 2026 to May 15, 2027. Bought direct from Pinery's office in Rhinelander, not through Linda.
carrav4
carrierdriftless
policy_numberDM-PA-6642190-15
deductible500
annual_premium978
expiration2027-01-12
next_payment_due2027-01-12
remarksJanuary 12, 2026 to January 12, 2027. Liability 250/500/100, collision and comprehensive with a $500 deductible, glass $100. Both of us are listed drivers.
carf150
carrierdriftless
policy_numberDM-PA-7718305-09
deductible500
annual_premium1104
expirationtoday+24d
next_payment_duetoday+24d
remarksCurrent. The truck has its own policy because Ray set it up the week he bought it and nobody ever combined the two; it renews in the fall. Same limits as the RAV4. Linda says combining them would save about $60 a year.
carrierdriftless
covers
- house-madison
- cabin
- rav4
- f150
policy_numberDM-UM-3310772-07
insured_value2000000
annual_premium412
expiration2027-03-01
next_payment_due2027-03-01
remarksPersonal umbrella, $2,000,000, over the house, the cabin, both cars and the boats. Renews with the house policy on March 1.
carriermarrowstone
covers
- ring-engagement-peg
- ring-mothers-engagement
- ring-sapphire-anniversary
- necklace-pearl-strand
- brooch-solje
- watch-omega-ray
- earrings-diamond-studs
- bracelet-tennis
- pendant-diamond
- art-lake-mendota
- art-three-pears
- art-skein-lake-ice-out
- art-birches
- art-lofoten-harbor
policy_numberMS-PAF-0093127-10
deductible0
insured_value43950
annual_premium684
expiration2026-12-08
next_payment_due2026-12-08
remarksCurrent. Scheduled personal articles - nine pieces of jewelry and five pictures, no deductible, covered anywhere in the world. December 8, 2025 to December 8, 2026. Through Linda Schroedl.
carrierdriftless
policy_numberDM-WC-5120884-12
deductible500
insured_value31500
annual_premium286
expiration2027-04-20
next_payment_due2027-04-20
remarksBoth boats - the Lund with its motor and trailer ($19,500) and the pontoon ($12,000). April 20, 2026 to April 20, 2027. Laid up November 1 to April 1; no cover on the water in those months.
Whose: Ray (covered_item)
carriernorhaven
covers
- ray
policy_numberNL-W-00418827
insured_value150000
annual_premium2340
next_payment_due2027-09-18
remarksCurrent. Whole life on Ray, taken out September 18, 1989. It has no end date. I am the beneficiary and the trust is second. The premium is due every September 18.
Whose: Peg Ostrander (covered_item)
carriernorhaven
covers
- me
policy_numberNL-T-02260514
insured_value100000
annual_premium1128
expiration2030-06-01
next_payment_due2027-06-01
remarksTwenty-year level term on me, June 1, 2010 to June 1, 2030. Ray is the beneficiary. Tom Kittleson says to let it run out rather than convert it.
Whose: Peg Ostrander (covered_item)
carrierelmhaven
covers
- me
policy_numberEH-LTC-7730418-P
annual_premium2916
next_payment_due2027-06-12
remarksCurrent. My long-term care policy, bought June 12, 2012. No end date as long as the premium is paid. It was $2,388 a year until the 2021 increase.
Whose: Ray (covered_item)
carrierelmhaven
covers
- ray
policy_numberEH-LTC-7730418-R
annual_premium3384
next_payment_due2027-06-12
remarksRay's long-term care policy, same date and terms as mine. His costs more because he was 59 when we bought. It was $2,772 a year until the 2021 increase.
Traps it covers

expiring_soon Ray's passport runs out in about eight weeks, before the anniversary trip to Norway they are planning for 2027. The truck's registration and policy and the dishwasher warranty end within weeks.

near_duplicate Each current policy sits next to last year's. Peg has an old and a new passport. Two diamond solitaire rings, hers and her mother's. Old and new doses of the same drug. Two jewelry appraisals eight years apart, whose names no longer say which is current. Two years of the accountant's summary. The 2019 wills and the 2003 ones are both still in the grey box, per two notes. Not every expired policy is labelled as such any more; the dates say it.

someone_elses Peg and Ray each have one of nearly everything, an IRA statement included. Both take atorvastatin, at different doses. Only Peg's health care power of attorney is scanned. "My" means Peg's.

two_of_a_kind Two houses, each with its own policy, deed, tax bills and contents. Each policy has its own rule about freezing while the place is empty, with different numbers. Three cars, one of them sold. Two dogs, one of them dead.

only_in_file The facts kept in one file and nowhere else. The long-term care daily benefit ($272.27) is only on the schedule. The life policy's cash value is only on its statement. The cabin's wind deductible ($7,700) and its theft and tree limits are only on its declarations. The house policy's jewelry sublimit, water backup limit and the rule about leaving the house empty in winter (condition 6.4, on page 5 of 8) are only in the policy. Ray's LDL of 68 is only on the lab sheet. Adjusted gross income for 2025 ($116,640) and for 2024 ($109,870) is only in each year's summary. The truck's title number is only on the title (that there is no lien also follows from the purchase receipt's "no loan"). The value of Peg's IRA is only on its statement. The septic system's design and the county's three-year pumping rule are only on the permit.

only_in_file Facts that are in no record field but overlap across files, in different words. The appraised values of the Omega ($4,150) and the pearls ($1,900) are in the 2024 appraisal and on the valuables schedule; the 2016 appraisal has older figures. The successor trustees and the specific gifts are in the trust. What happens to the cabin is in the trust (sold), in the amendment that replaced that paragraph (kept by the three children; the saved amendment is a scan with no text) and in the lawyer's letter that explains the amendment. Ray's 2026 required withdrawal ($28,012.02) is on the IRA statement and in the advisor's letter, and the 2025 tax summary gives it as "about $28,000". The porch change order is in the contract; the receipt says only that the porch came in $800 over.

not_saved Ray has no birth certificate saved, though Peg has hers. No marriage certificate is saved. The boats are insured but have no title or registration saved. The RAV4 has no title document; the F-150 does, twice over. The CR-V's title was signed over without being copied. Neither will is scanned, nor Ray's health care power of attorney, nor any tax return, only the accountant's summaries for 2024 and 2025. None of the children's or grandchildren's SSNs or passports are saved. Why each is missing is under fact_sheet.missing.

mismatch The 2026 valuables schedule lists the sapphire ring at $4,600, its 2017 purchase price. Every other item was updated to the September 2024 appraisal, which values the ring at $6,800. The ring is under-insured by $2,200. The appraisal is right about the value; the schedule is right about what is insured.